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BeitragVerfasst am: 10 Apr 2009 - 13:27:18    Titel:

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'sensitive from the inside' doesn't work. For starters, the preposition is incorrect, as we would normally use 'sensitive on the inside'.

Of course, saying 'she's sensitive on the inside' can have a physical, almost ... sexual connotation to it, so I'd suggest that you avoid saying something like that entirely.


That's why I left it out

because the paragraph goes like that


Generally, women are linked to sense and men to sensibility.
is that of the different characters of Marianne and Elinor. Elinor represents sense and Marianne sensibility.
Elinor is the one, who seems to be always logical, unemotional and cool-hearted,...she conceals (conquers) her feelings...

In her heart (in ihrem Herzen, in ihrem tiefen Innern)
she has feelings of love,hatred and other strong emotions,
she is very sensitive (feinfühlend,gefühlvoll)



In the context of this paragraph , the contrary between sense and sensibility is coming out clearly on this character.("She seems to be logical" )
Furthermore it is said then , that "In her heart" she has feelings of....

So why shall one write that she is "senitive on the inside.".I've never heard this phrase.
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BeitragVerfasst am: 10 Apr 2009 - 15:22:11    Titel:

Well, simply saying that someone is 'sensitive'...

In the physical sense, it means that a part of the body is sensitive to a certain stimulus i.e. pain e.g. I bruised my knee last week so it is very sensitive (to the touch). I'm not going to explain "she's very sensitive on the inside" >.> One can also be 'sensitive to smell' or have 'sensitive hearing'. Your eyes can also be sensitive to very bright lights (it causes them pain).

In the emotional sense, it means that someone can get riled up very easily, or perhaps get offended or emotionally hurt very easily. If you only say they are 'sensitive', then there is no implication of how they react to certain emotional stimuli (e.g. what other people say/do to them that makes them react).

Of course, this is stated in the context, as you surmise. Still, simply stating that she in sensitive sort of leaves the reader hanging ... it's somewhat expected that what the person is actually sensitive to or about might be explained.

As to the conceal / conquer ... debate going on here, they do of course have different meanings. As Rasmus was pointing out, though, they tend to almost be antonyms.

There are a lot of different verbs that can be used with feelings, with varying meanings. To be honest, I think that neither 'conceal' nor 'conquer' is right here.

conceal your emotions - you do not openly reveal your emotions to others. Some things to assume from this are that 1) the person might actually reveal their emotions to people they are more familiar with (and be nervous around people they don't know) and/or 2) not actually trust the people with whom they are interacting enough to reveal their emotions.

conquer your emotions - you don't let negative emotions get in the way of what it is you want to do. If you want to ask someone out, for example, you don't hold back due to feelings of embarrassment or uncertainty.

stifle / suppress / repress your emotions - for some reason or another, be it moral thinking, social pressure, religious piety, or whatever, you try to ignore the impulses brought on by your emotions. If you're confronted by something that makes you sad, you refuse to admit that you're sad, and you refuse to cry, for example. If you feel attraction to someone who is 'beyond your reach', you'd never admit it. You absolutely refuse to act upon your emotions. It's been bantered about that this can lead to psychological problems, but that's a discussion for a different forum. I think that this would be the best selection to describe this character's emotional state.
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BeitragVerfasst am: 10 Apr 2009 - 17:21:48    Titel:

Thank you for your effort and through the precise distinction you made, I view those words in a different light now.

Although I am not convinced with the word "conceal" because I don't know the whole story and the circumstances.
" Suppress the feelings" might be more appropriate
But I really don't know whether she was forced to suppress her feelings (social circumstances) or it has any psychological causes .(self-confidence, timidity etc )
To my mind, "conceal" is rather a deliberate act which comes from mind,
resp a conscious act.
Maybe she is able to show her feelings but whyever conceals them..
It might be her native modesty or she is an intellectual person by nature
(verstandsbetont..can't remember the English word at the moment)
She feels but she conceals the feelings and doesn't let them out too much but it does not have to mean she suppresses them.


It doesn't come clearly out from this summary whether she might could have some reasons to conceal her feelings
Suppress sounds for me kind of too strongly.
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BeitragVerfasst am: 11 Apr 2009 - 15:14:04    Titel:

Hallo,


kann mal bitte jemand rüber gucken, ob man das so stehen lassen kann?



•* 2. Oktober 1869 in Porbandar, Gujarat; † 30. Januar 1948
•Indian lawyer
•1947: He developed the concept of Satyagraha, the non-violent resistance against oppression.
•In his public life Gandhi presented himself as a fearless person for example in front of the British. In contrast to this he was in his private life not as strong as he wanted to be in his public life. For example he was afraid of the dark so he could only fall asleep when a light burned.
•Gandhi preferred to live in poor and ascetic circumstances, nevertheless he accepted the financial support of billionaires.
•Gandhi was not responsible for India’s declaration of independence but many people think that his method of nonviolence is the reason why India became independent.
•First, Gandhi was convinced that the use of nonviolence is helpful. Later he had to learn that there are situations in which the use of nonviolence is not successful, for example a situation like World War II.




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BeitragVerfasst am: 11 Apr 2009 - 16:42:59    Titel:

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•* 2. Oktober 1869 in Porbandar, Gujarat; † 30. Januar 1948
•Indian lawyer
•1947: He developed the concept of Satyagraha, the non-violent resistance against oppression.
•In his public life Gandhi presented himself as a fearless person, for example when he made a stand against the British (occupiers ?) In contrast to that he was not as strong as he wanted to be in his public life. For example he was afraid of the dark, so he could only fall asleep when a light was burning.
•Gandhi prefered to live in poor and ascetic circumstances, nevertheless he accepted the financial support of billionaires.
•Gandhi was not responsible for India’s declaration of independence but many people think that his method of nonviolence is the reason why India became independent.
•First, Gandhi was convinced that the use of nonviolence is helpful. Later he had to learn that there are situations in which the use of nonviolence is not successful, for example in a situation like World War II.

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BeitragVerfasst am: 11 Apr 2009 - 19:31:22    Titel:

squeezy14 hat folgendes geschrieben:
Zitat:



•* 2. Oktober 1869 in Porbandar, Gujarat; † 30. Januar 1948
•Indian lawyer
•1947: He developed the concept of Satyagraha, the non-violent resistance against oppression.
•In his public life Gandhi presented himself as a fearless person, for example when he made a stand against the British (occupiers ?) In contrast to that he was not as strong as he wanted to be in his public life. For example he was afraid of the dark, so he could only fall asleep when a light was burning.
•Gandhi prefered to live in poor and ascetic circumstances, nevertheless he accepted the financial support of billionaires.
•Gandhi was not responsible for India’s declaration of independence but many people think that his method of nonviolence is the reason why India became independent.
•First, Gandhi was convinced that the use of nonviolence is helpful. Later he had to learn that there are situations in which the use of nonviolence is not successful, for example in a situation like World War II.



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BeitragVerfasst am: 11 Apr 2009 - 19:33:27    Titel:

Hallo,


kann bitte jemand meine Summary korrigieren?


Set in the future, the 24th century, “Fahrenheit” tells the story of the protagonist and fireman Guy Montag. Montag, who is married with Mildred, takes pleasure in his profession as firemen. He lives in a society in which owning and reading books are forbidden. The firemen burn the books and the houses of the owners. The burning of books is an instrument of tyranny, censorship and oppression. It is a materialistic society in which the people have forgotten social interaction with each other.
At the beginning of the book he meets the 17 year old girl Clarisse and her humanistic outlook and intelligence impresses Montag. Soon he realizes that he is unhappy with his life and with his relationship to his wife Mildred. Montag wonders why books are perceived to be so dangerous and why some people are so loyal to them. He steels a book from a collection he is sent to burn. Montag is shaken when the owner of the books, an older woman, refuses to leave her home. Instead, the woman sets her own house in fire and commits suicide. The woman's dedication to her books makes Montag realize that perhaps the happiness he lacks can be found in books. Montag understands that he is an instrument of destruction. In the night Montag finds out that Clarisse was killed by a speeding car more than a week earlier. Montag feels ill and does not want to go to work. Beatty, his chief, visits him at home and they have a conversation about the rules of a fireman. Beatty guesses that Montag has a book at home so he tells him that every fireman is allowed to have a book for 24 hours at home but after the 24 hours the fireman has to burn the book. Montag starts reading and remembers on Faber, a potential suspect who he has met in the park. Faber and Montag meet each other and talk about books. At work the firemen are called to an alarm, and Montag is dismayed to discover that it is his own house that is to be burned, Mildred reported him. They burn Montag’s house and Montag kills Beatty. He flees to the river and joins to a group of supporters of books. Granger, the leader of the group, tells Montag how the men in his camp have each memorized literary works so that someday, when it is safe to do so, they can again print books, recreating them from memory. After atomic bombs destroy the city, Montag feels fully reborn.
Granger tells Montag of the legend of the phoenix and points out the similarities to their own situation.





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BeitragVerfasst am: 12 Apr 2009 - 03:38:43    Titel:

JaSa hat folgendes geschrieben:


Set in the future, in the 24th century, “Fahrenheit” tells the story of the protagonist and fireman Guy Montag. Montag, who is married with Mildred, takes pleasure in his profession as fireman. He lives in a society in which owning and reading books are forbidden. The firemen burn the books and the houses of the owners. The burning of books is an instrument of tyranny, censorship and oppression. It is a materialistic society in which the people have forgotten what social cooperation is (or: have lost their social awarness)
At the beginning of the book he meets the 17 year old girl Clarisse and her human(kind) appearance / radiance (menschliches Aussehen / Ausstrahlung ?? Was wolltest du sagen.Human outlook = humanistische Perspektive.) and her intelligence impresses Montag. Soon he realizes that he is unhappy with his life and in his relationship with his wife Mildred. Montag wonders why books are considered to be so dangerous and why some people are so loyal (so treu ergeben??) to them.

He steels a book from a collection which he is ordered to burn. Montag is shaken when the owner of the books, an elderly woman, refuses to leave her home. Instead, the woman sets her own house in fire and commits suicide. The woman's dedication to her books makes Montag realize that the happiness he lacks might be found in the books. Montag understands that he is an instrument of destruction. At night Montag finds out that Clarisse was killed by a speeding car one week ago.

Montag feels ill and does not want to go to work. Beatty, his chief, visits him at home where they have a conversation about the rules of a fireman. Beatty guesses that Montag has a book at home, so he tells him that every fireman is allowed to have a book for 24 hours at home, but the firemen (or better they) have to burn the book when 24 hours are over.(or better:when time is over) Montag starts reading and remembers on Faber, a potential suspect , who he met in the park.

Faber and Montag meet each other and talk about books. At work the firemen are called to an alarm, and Montag is dismayed as he discovers that it is his own house that is to be burned,(soll verbrannt werden?? oder brennt ..which is burning)

Mildred reported him. They burn Montag’s house and Montag kills Beatty. He flees to the river and joins a group of supporters of books. Granger, the leader of the group, tells Montag that the men in his camp have memorized each book of the literary work(jedes einzelne Buch des literaischen Werkes ? ) so that some day, when they are safe , can print the books again and recreate them from memory. After atomic bombs destroy the city, Montag feels fully reborn.
Granger tells Montag of the legend of the phoenix and points out the similarities to their own situation.



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Set in the future, in the 24th century, “Fahrenheit”


Heißt es nicht "Fahrenheit 451"?...

Zitat:
tells the story of the protagonist, fireman Guy Montag. Montag, who is married with Mildred, takes pleasure in his profession as a firemen. He lives in a society in which owning and reading books are forbidden. The firemen burn the books and the houses of the owners. The burning of books is an instrument of tyranny, censorship and oppression. It is a materialistic society in which the people have forgotten social interaction with each other.
At the beginning of the book he meets the 17 year old girl Clarisse and her humanistic outlook and intelligence impresses Montag. Soon he realizes that he is unhappy with his life and with his relationship to his wife Mildred. Montag wonders why books are perceived to be so dangerous and why some people are so loyal to them. He steels a book from a collection he is sent to burn. Montag is shaken when the owner of the books, an older woman, refuses to leave her home. Instead, the woman sets her own house in fire and commits suicide. The woman's dedication to her books makes Montag realize that perhaps the happiness he lacks can be found in books. Montag understands that he is an instrument of destruction. In the night Montag finds out that Clarisse was killed by a speeding car more than a week earlier. Montag feels ill and does not want to go to work. Beatty, his chief, visits him at home and they have a conversation about the rules of a fireman. Beatty guesses that Montag has a book at home so he tells him that every fireman is allowed to have a book for 24 hours at home but after the 24 hours the fireman has to burn the book. Montag starts reading and remembers on


just "remembers"

Zitat:
Faber, a potential suspect who he has met in the park. Faber and Montag meet each other and talk about books. At work the firemen are called by an alarm, and Montag is dismayed to discover that it is his own house that is to be burned, because Mildred reported him. They burn Montag’s house and Montag kills Beatty. He flees to the river and joins to


just "joins"

Zitat:
a group of book supporters. Granger, the leader of the group, tells Montag how each person in his camp has memorized literary works so that someday, when it is safe to do so, they can again print books, recreating them from memory. After atomic bombs destroy the city, Montag feels fully reborn.
Granger tells Montag of the legend of the phoenix and points out the similarities to their own situation.
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Zwanglos hat folgendes geschrieben:
JaSa hat folgendes geschrieben:

Set in the future, in the 24th century, “Fahrenheit”


Heißt es nicht "Fahrenheit 451"?...

Zitat:
tells the story of the protagonist, fireman Guy Montag. Montag, who is married with Mildred, takes pleasure in his profession as a firemen. He lives in a society in which owning and reading books are forbidden. The firemen burn the books and the houses of the owners. The burning of books is an instrument of tyranny, censorship and oppression. It is a materialistic society in which the people have forgotten social interaction with each other.??


Is that term right?Never heard it and cannot google it in connection with social interaction


At the beginning of the book he meets the 17 year old girl Clarisse and her humanistic outlook ??

Sounds kind of funny for me.What is the meaning of outlook in this context? An idea or a humanistic view? I use this word for " Perspektive"


and intelligence impresses Montag. Soon he realizes that he is unhappy with his life and with his relationship

Not unhappy in his relationship ? Either are possible?


to his wife Mildred. Montag wonders why books are perceived?

Why not considered?

to be so dangerous and why some people are so loyal to them. He steels a book from a collection he is sent to burn.

I wasn't sure with this structure .I wrote "which he is ordered to burn." Is either possible ?


Montag is shaken when the owner of the books, an older woman?

not elderly woman ?

, refuses to leave her home. Instead, the woman sets her own house in fire and commits suicide. The woman's dedication to her books makes Montag realize that perhaps the happiness he lacks can be found in books. Montag understands that he is an instrument of destruction. In the night Montag finds out that Clarisse was killed by a speeding car more than a week earlier.

What is that in German.Vor mehr als einer Woche?

Montag feels ill and does not want to go to work. Beatty, his chief, visits him at home and they have a conversation about the rules of a fireman. Beatty guesses that Montag has a book at home so he tells him that every fireman is allowed to have a book for 24 hours at home but after the 24 hours the fireman has to burn the book.

I wrote:
but the firemen (or better they) have to burn the book when 24 hours are over...

Is that wrong?



Montag starts reading and remembers on


just "remembers"

Zitat:
Faber, a potential suspect who he has met in the park. Faber and Montag meet each other and talk about books. At work the firemen are called by an alarm, and Montag is dismayed to discover that it is his own house that is to be burned,

because Mildred reported him. They burn Montag’s house and Montag kills Beatty. He flees to the river and joins to


just "joins"

Zitat:
a group of book supporters. Granger, the leader of the group, tells Montag how each person in his camp has memorized literary works so that someday,

I think he meant each book of the literary work.?

when it is safe to do so, they can again print books, recreating them from memory. After atomic bombs destroy the city, Montag feels fully reborn.
Granger tells Montag of the legend of the phoenix and points out the similarities to their own situation.
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